Will Hurd on 2024 run, debates, Trump

Republicans are preparing for their first debate of the 2024 primary season on August 23rd, but the scramble is on for candidates to meet donor and polling thresholds to make the stage. That includes former U.S. Rep. Will Hurd (R-TX), who's also making headlines for declining a mandatory "loyalty pledge" requiring participants to endorse the eventual nominee. He joins Jim to lay out his case, the state of play for the race, and the impact of another Trump indictment on the current frontrunner.